These signs were throughout every apostle's home that I took...I called them and they were very upset...It's the Church Security..Interesting..?
Thomas S. Monson, the Prophet of the LDS Home.. 4125 CARTER CIR SALT LAKE CITY, UT. This still is his home..I heard that he doesn't live here that much now since he's been the prophet..I believe he lives in a condo that's owned by the LDS church near the LDS temple.This home has a large back yard..but quite humble.
Neil L. Andersen 2608 FAIRWAY Circle BOUNTIFUL, UT 84010. There were two workers taking care of his yard..I asked them if they worked for the LDS Church and one of them said yes...Interesting? So this is where tithing also goes? This home is in a beautiful area with homes in the $800-1 million dollar range..
Robert Hales Home:
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FrontDallin H. Oaks 1813 Yale Ave. Currently For Sale for $650,000..Any buyers? Back of the home below..
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| This is a new location for Dallin H. Oaks: DALLIN H OAKS 398 AERIE CIR NORTH SALT LAKE, UT 84054 . Very interesting that the CS sign is in Red where all the other CS signs are in blue in front of the apostles homes..I'm not sure what it means but it could mean something interesting...CS is known as Church Security....Hmmmm. Also, this is right across the street from DIETER F UCHTDORF... |
RUSSELL M NELSON
1347 NORMANDIE CIR
SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84105 Near Harvard/Yale street
1347 NORMANDIE CIR
SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84105 Near Harvard/Yale street
This is the Gate Entrance to Boyd K. Packer's Home..It's at the end of a very prestigeous and wealthy area..I would guess that homes are in the 2 to 3 million dollar range...I heard that he has over 10 acres within his property range...Kind of interesting since he has only worked for the majority of his working years at the LDS Church?
This is a home right next to Boyd K. Packer's home...Huge!
Wow those modest living allowances that are provided from income on Church investments sure provide comfortable living quarters! ;)
ReplyDeleteThat's not the only thing they did
DeleteGood living brings.... good things
How would you feel about Solomon
or how would you feel about Peter.... if you was his wife and children
People can pick anything apart
It is wrong to do this
If darkness can keep you dwelling on someone else
and their lives
Then you wont have any time to look at your self
This is not of GOD
Christs Followers are at Peace
Showing forth Christ like Love
This Dave person is a very evil man
He is a follower of Lucifer
Not of GOD
CE Mason
"Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him"
Delete"Foxes have dens to live in, and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place even to lay his head."
"If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven"
So Jesus had no house, and those who follow him can't be greater than him. Jesus asks us to take care of the poor, which there are still plenty, and even without selling their homes, by simply applying their $23,000,000 from their Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC) ticket sales or even the $35,000,000 in annual tax-free PCC donations towards helping the poor rather than adding to the $70,000,000 of assets it already has.
Sure, they give about $52 million to the poor annually, but that's less than 1% of its tithes. And for a church that claims to follow a man who tells us to "Do to others as you would like them to do to you" it seems strange to deny helping those in need while building another multi-million dollar temple with the money that could alleviate their pain.
Solomon inherited a kingdom and served that kingdom well. He built ONE temple for God, and he didn't go off building them everywhere in excess, nor did his people starve while all the wealth of the city was funneled into such a temple.
And Peter/Caiphas was a follower of Jesus with no home as he sojourned with the messiah. He built absolutely NO temples during his life. And why would he; the God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
if darkness can keep you dwelling on a false gospel and its lies
Then you won't have any time to be in the truth
This is not of GOD.
Christ's followers are Obedient
Showing forth Christ-like Love which is not in doing what Christ did not do like building temples, but rather in the selfless act of living humbly (not in luxury like in million dollar mansions) and using your abundant excess (like millions in tax-free donations) to help those in the greatest need. And when a church has enough money to single-handedly end poverty chooses to build and chooses to build a temple instead: You will know them by their fruits.
Vatican Bank: $8billion (+trillions in chapels)
LDS: $40 billion (+$8 billion in yearly tithes)
JW: so corrupt it won't even say how many billions
there are many churches bearing some rather horrible looking fruit. What is one supposed to conclude about the goodness of a church if it has the means to help, but does only enough to look good while letting the problem persist?
Peter was a very successful fisherman who had servants, boats, a large home, (that Jesus stayed in many times)He moved to a bigger city to be closer to where they were preaching. Judas was in charge of the money purse. They had money. Christ does not begrudge what people have Earned. Those are just a few things of many. Your biblical knowledge shows your ignorance of both the times and people and written scripture. As for the tithing and building of temples... Apparently you think you know better than God what to do with his money. Christ was on his mission when he had no home. Before he was on his mission he had a home. Solomon built many temples...only one was for God, the others were pagan for his wives. The tenth commandment was made for you! Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. I'll leave you and all others like you with this: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. God bless you and let your heart be full of love. Have joy in your life. Bless and forgive and come unto Christ for he is the truth and the light. Amen
DeleteInteresting how this critic doesn't have a name or nickname, but I would still ask, who exactly are the poor that the Church has denied help that you mentioned?
DeleteSo much is given world wide by devine revelation. Who are you to judge what God inspires and directs his saints to do with his money? Only God has the right to judge.
DeleteThey bought their own homes with the money they made at work. Our money doesn't buy them homes. If you're going to say something, say something true.
DeleteThe most interesting of all this talking is that no one ever said anything about these true apostles' work before being ordained! I see Nelson's house as a very simple one, once he has worked as a very prestigious heart surgeon. If you go to Oakes' house, very simple once he was a judge! Pretty much all of these men have been greatly blessed by the Lord before they were called as apostles! As they are called and ordained, they live the consecration law! I think is nothing less then reasonable that they have an standard of living at least close to the one they had before (and that's not for them but for their family!) And as I saw some houses of some greatly wealthy men before their calling, I trully see great modesty!
DeleteAre you serious, Neves? The law of consecration? Not even close! If they were living the law of consecration then I would be their neighbor, not some 'nobody' to them who lives with one foot in the street and another in a dumpy apartment. There is nothing modest about the majority of these homes. I've seen Sherry Dew's home and it's equally disturbing. But hey, it keeps the riff raff away, doesn't it.
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Deletegreat homes i wish i could have one of them to live in.
ReplyDeleteIt's simple work and you can have. God blessed them because they worked, they have faith and pay the tenth part of salary.
DeleteWork doing what? They just hang out at a clubhouse and take money from their followers tax free and spend as they see fit. Pretty disgusting scam. If you think there is a god that would want this to happen I would say you are naive. Why give 10% to the church? Why not give it directly to someone in need? Why should a church leader live better than 95% percent of the world? Sounds pretty evil to me. If I was a god I would be disgusted by this behavior.
DeleteYes, David....me too...and live in them RENT FREE and Tax free.
DeleteTo Fe Saunders:
Brigham Young never had a job in Utard, yet his estate at death was several millions.
Where did that money come from?
It couldn't have ALL come from his distillery business...could it?
Fe Saunders.
DeleteDo YOU "work" and have?
I know many devout Mormons who are AT LEAST as devout and productive as LDS apostles AND pay their 10+% and are as poor as church mice.
Apparently God doesn't like them much...
Yeah Fe, you're in denial. The vast majority of Utahns work hard, but have barely two pennies to rub together. Very few of them are CEO's or surgeons, or lawyers. Not because they're not working hard, but because not everyone can be at the top. It's more than a little disturbing that at any point during their professions, they chose to flaunt their wealth.
DeleteI would hardly consider any of these homes as excessive...has anyone seen some of the homes of the evangelical crew or the catholic bishops and archbishops? They are truly palatial.
ReplyDeleteI was pleasantly shocked to see such modest homes.
DeleteWhen these very nice homes are paid for by church goers who are giving money to help the needy I think it is excessive.
DeleteThese homes are not paid for by "church goers" - and many of them sit on boards of corporations and have worked in business and paid for them on their own. Further, the church has many investments that go toward various operations of the church. The comment on one of the pictures about a gardener and the snide comment about tithing money is just ridiculous. These are all fairly modest homes. The church doesn't own them. And, if you are the president of a church of 15 million people and are not living in a "palace" and living an extravagant lifestyle, that is pretty impressive. This entire website is ridiculous.
DeleteI agree with the last "unknown" from May 23, 2014. Most of these men are called as Apostles in their 50's and 60's, at the latter end of long careers. Pres Uchtdorf was a German Air force pilot and then a commercial airline pilot for many years. Elder Oaks was a very prestigious lawyer and was sitting on the Utah State Supreme Court when he was called. Elder Bednar's last paying job was the President of BYU Idaho. And so on. These are the homes, by and large, where they raised their families for many years before taking a full-time position in Church membership. At which time, they generally also take pay cuts when trading their professional income for their living expense income. When Elder Oaks was accepting the "Pillar of the Valley" award in Provo, UT 2014, he mentioned how his wife had joked that after law school, lawyers are suppose to make more and more, but Elder Oaks, because of taking Judgeships and public service assignments, made less and less. Then when he was called as an Apostle she said "at least we know that you won't make any less that THIS." However, he explained, at least once in that time, they've lowered the stipend. He said this in all good humor. :)
DeleteGood words :)
DeleteI so agree with you.
DeleteDoes anyone think that Neil L. Anderson's home looks like a mini temple gone wrong? lol
ReplyDeleteLooked up Elder Anderson's home on Zillow. It's 1900 sf and only worth about $450K. That's not a mansion, nor is it excessive. He has an MBA from Harvard, sold a lucrative advertising agency when he left to serve as a mission president, and I'm sure he understands investing.
DeleteTo the many who can't afford any home, 450k is a mansion.
DeleteRichard G Scott was a nuclear engineer, Niel L Anderson earned a MBA From Harvard and worked as vice president of the Morton Plant Health System, Russell M Nelson was an internationally renowned cardiothoracic surgeon Dieter F Uchtdorf was an airline piolt and airline executive. Those are just a few examples. Many of them have also written a number of books. It is very interesting to see their homes, but just so people know. They do not get rich off of the church.
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ReplyDeleteThe original apostles of Christ gave up all of their worldly possessions to follow Him. Even if these guys DID rely solely on their personal success to build their wealth (a claim I find dubious), people who live in homes such as these have no business calling themselves themselves apostles.
Actually a very close source of mind revealed that many of the the apostles make more than $600,000 a year. This really needs to be brought out. I believe many Mormons would not like this..
DeleteSeriously? You couldn't be an apostle if you aren't a homeless person? Okay, that makes sense. Well I do see a lot of homeless people who hold signs proclaiming they are prophets and that it's the end of the world. I guess they must be right! Dude, these are not even fancy homes! David Bartos homeS are way nicer than those he has posted here - and so where does he get his $$ to pay for them...hmm interesting?? So gaining knowledge and education to provide for your family is wrong? These men were already set before they began serving full time and I guarantee they could have made way more money continuing in their career paths than if they had retired early and received compensation for their travel, food, clothing and other living expenses. How is it so dubious that surgeons, lawyers, CEO's and so forth couldn't afford these homes? I'm SHOCKED that the homes are so old and modest, especially compared to what most of their occupations salaries could afford. And you forget that the original 12 Apostles were fishermen which was considered a higher paid and successful profession back then, which I think requires more faith to walk away from. But they could probably walk away from it because they also could afford to and had the means to AND people of the church then helped to feed, clothe, house and provide for them. (hey, that's just like tithing today!). Any member of the church who pays tithing knows that the General Authorities receive money in order to be able to serve full time - it's called common sense. They can't just wander around the street holding signs, hitchhiking, eating out of garbage cans or living on a wing and a prayer, and I don't want them to! They represent the Savior and his service, and I'm glad to give tithing to help them in that calling. Their service benefits me in many ways, it benefits my family and it benefits the church all over the world, that's the whole purpose of tithing! Paying my tithing today is like housing, feeding, clothing and supporting the Apostles in Christ's time. I think that's awesome! If they came to my house, I would give the best I had, not the left overs, because I love the Savior and these are His Apostles. Of course they have security and drivers, we have have all of the obsessed ex- and anti-Mormon delusional whacko's who threaten them and the church and drive by taking pics of their homes and posting them online and take their security signs to thank for that. (stalker much?) At least I'm not paying for Olsteen's fancy rings (you should see his houses and cars, WO!), Tammy Baker's (RIP) gold toilets or Billy Graham's many MANSIONS just so they can hold massive gatherings where they speak in tongues and knock people in the head to proclaim them healed and whole to "prove" their power and calling. And for them to "reveal God's" definition of being a Christian which is so ironic that they think they can receive or share any revelation from God since a big part of "their" definition of being a Christian is that there is no such thing as modern day revelation and that God does not have prophets are not on the earth anymore. And btw, many ex and anti mormons are making a lot of money off of "speaking engagements", blogs and selling books and DVDs --and people love pay for it and then they turn around and criticize tithing and the Apostles. Go figure. Amen and Halleluyer
DeleteThank you Kimberly for your message...!
DeleteWeren't the orginal12 Homeless
DeleteNo, the original 12 were not homeless. They did leave their families to go out on their missions. But they left their families in homes. They owned homes and boats and nets, tools for their trades. Paul was a tent maker and people lived in tents there, still often do. So you might say he was in construction. LOL And when you compare these to those of some of the TV minsters and Calvary Temple ministers of single congregations, it is amazing. These Apostles are world leaders, not single congregation ministers. And their homes compare to some of the single congregation guys who also write a book or something. And most of them are also authors. What does bother me is the false manner in which some of the Sunday School teachers teach the law of tithing....
DeleteJust 2 of Dave's homes. Wonder where he gets all of his money...hmmm
ReplyDeletehttp://www.vacationrentals.com/vacation-rentals/90004.html
205 N Country Ln, Fruit Heights, UT
http://www.exmormonfiles.com/donate/index.htm
Delete"Donate" here to pay for Dave's houses.
Kimberly, I have never received money for doing any of my religious work. None, only having some businesses and investing. That's it. Don't try to lie here, please.
DeleteSame goes for you, Dave. All of those church leaders had professions before they were church authorities. They have their own money and investments, just like you do.
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DeleteSo if they have their own money and investments, why are we paying them as well?
DeleteMy Husband and I live in a community called Magrath in Southern Alberta, Canada. The Mormons like to brag how none of the leadership of the "church" (and I use that term loosely) are paid. If you want to know the truth about what goes on inside the mormon organization, please visit these websites, both put up by former several generation Mormons. www.utlm.org As well as www.hotm.tv . Both these sites are very eye opening and these people TELL THE TRUTH about the mormon organization. Joseph Smith gave 9 different accounts of the first vision, but the mormon church doesn't tell people that. Gordon B. Hinckley said "our faith, our belief rests on the validity of that first vision, either it is true or it is not true..." Hey Mormons, do some research and find out what is truth, your eternal salvation depends on it. Quit giving "praise to the man" and give it instead to the the one who died so you could have assurance of everlasting life, Jesus Christ himself and him alone. God Bless, Rhoda Parent & Warren Schoff
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to tell you that moist of the stories are lies. I suggest reading http://www.fairmormon.org/
DeleteNo they are not....It's in your mormon books. If they lie, than they your apostles are lying.
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DeleteSorry my last comment had a grammatical error and those drive me crazy!
DeleteOur Church does teach us about the different accounts of the First Vision. I learned about it in Seminary. :)
BTW the official and proper name of our Church is: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
I suggest you read "Letter to a CES Director". Just Google it. The evidence against Mormonism is MASSIVE, and has yet to be refuted. All FAIRMORMON can do is to attack people and motives. Joseph Smith was a liar and adulterer. Brigham Young was a racist and murderer and THIEF...had over 30 million in today's money at the time of his death. Did he invest in stock? HELL NO. He simply ripped off the Tithing Office every year. Factual.
DeleteIs it not written judge not that ye be not judged, from what I see most are living humbly. It is acceptable for middle class living provided they use what have for doing good works and helping others in need.
DeleteFunny to read this comments. My friend who lives in Utah who migrated from Europe has even a larger house and he has a simple computer programmer job and 5 kids. What is wrong of having a good home for his family and some of them are rather very modest when thinking how successful these men are in their profession and in writing books. God commanded (see the bible) us to give to the church only 10% not all our earnings!!!
ReplyDeleteThink about that and get yourself a free copy of the Book of Mormon from mormon dot org (search on google "free Book of Mormon") and find out on your own if it is true or not. I know that the book is true and that "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" is the restored and true church of Jesus Christ our Savior for all humankind.
10% is the law of Moses, not what Christ taught. Consecration is what Christ taught. Read Acts 4. There are very few "Christian" churches out there who live what Christ taught. They are more Judaism than Christian when they live the law of tithing. Christ said to sell everything. Million dollar houses by any religious leader mocks what Christ taught.
DeleteA survey conducted by the Leadership Network, an organization created for the advancement of the Christian church, megachurch pastors earned an average of $147,000 annually, with some pastors earning as much as $400,000. http://work.chron.com/average-income-pastor-mega-church-9682.html
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ReplyDeleteFormer Mormon Missionary's sing this song about these leaders
If you would be interested in sharing these image on Wikipida, I would love to help you do it. Let me know and I will contact you via e-mal
ReplyDeleteYou should put a link to Zillow so the truth of what they're worth is shown too Pres MOnson's house is 1200 sf. Wow, what a huge mansion that is. AND he built it in 1957 and has never sold it. So, he probably paid $15K for it. (My parents paid $16K for a slightly bigger one in 1964). The only two high end homes here are Elder Utchdorf and Elder Oaks, and since they were an airline executive and a lawyer/judge, their $800K homes don't seem excessive.
DeleteWhy are you so worried about how much they paid for their houses? Seems like you are being a little defensive.
DeleteSince they are under attack for owning homes that are apparently "too nice" to the uninformed masses, why not be defensive of the truth?
DeleteLet's find your address and post it on the Internet. I hope the Church sues you! These men have familie and grandchildren. You are petty and obviously jealous. These men live in modest homes that are beautiful. They have worked hard in this life and recieved an education but still remain humble. Early apostles of Jesus were physicians, attorneys and business men. Fishing business was big business. I'm a Jewish convert to the Church. I know these men are apostles of God and have met several myself in person. They are full of the love of Jesus Christ and humility.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your response, Sheila.
DeletePlease post the verses that describe the apostles' professions. We could all learn from these citations.
DeleteAnd the home of David Bartosiewicz in St. George:
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I'm sure it's a business venture, but it's pretty much on par with the ones mentioned above.
And the home of David Bartosiewicz in St. George:
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I'm sure it's a business venture, but it's pretty much on par with the ones mentioned above.
i find it very troubling
ReplyDeleteHas any one looked at the Popes house
or Dave's house
and Just how does Dave make his living?
It is easy to find
Just how much does he make
How much does his church pay him?
Tell the truth
Remember your a Christen
And Father is watching you all very closely
Our Father Who Dwells in the heaven above
Is very near
CE Mason
These are very modest homes for men who commit their whole lives to serving Christ. My experience of Mormans (I am a convert of 6 years) is that they are highly successful financially because: 1. They work hard. 2. They do not spend 3. They live clean 4. They stay married. 5. They are advised to gain an advanced education. While I was young and partying, my Mormon counterparts where in college headed to Harvard. All of the Apostles where successful in their careers first and have no need of tithing monies to live well.
ReplyDeleteSuch humble and beautiful modern day homes. These men have had careers way before they were called to serve as leaders of the church. Each and every apostle of Christ church has donated so much of their spare time working and doing things for others without pay.
ReplyDeleteWithout pay? I believe you need to do a great deal more research...
DeleteWithout pay? I believe you need to do a great deal more research...
DeleteCan you read, Tiffany? Humble homes? Without pay? Lots of people donate spare time and do things for others and don't get stipends in six figures. My home is humble, it's an apartment. Next to my home, they live in palaces.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing these images. As a lifelong Mormon these images show to me what humble men lead our world wide church. In fact they strengthen my testimony that Thomas S Monson is a prophet of God who has been blessed for a life long service. The prophet Malachi told the ancient children of Israel that God would bless those who observed the law of tithing. From what you have freely shown us it looks like God has truly blessed these men for their obedience to this commandment.
Isn't it wonderful to know that God does live and will bless any of His children for their obedience to any of His commandments no matter what creed, colour, gender or even nationality (spoken by a proud Pom living in Australia!)
I wish you well in all your endeavours and again thank you for sharing these images with someone who will probably never have an opportunity to see the 'human' side of our wonderful church leaders.
Does God also bless people who are abusive to their family, or leave their wife without fulfilling their financial obligations, what about loving someone else and wanting to be with them instead of your wife, does he bless those people if they don't repent?
DeleteAgreed. It was actually kind of cool to see how modest and average these homes are. It strengthened my faith even more that the church is true =)
DeleteThe LDS church is the only true Church that has been created directly by the Father and Son, it has purpose more than has been revealed even unto it members, only some of the prophets have been shown deeper understandings. All Christians if seek the kingdom of God should join the LDS Church and abide by the baptism and covenant you shall take, do this and the death and hell shall have no power over you. It is written ye shall know them by their fruits.
ReplyDeleteYou're an idiot
DeleteIt amazes me how any of you can say these homes are modest? This is the biggest problem with organized religion. It is all based around money. I have love for god and believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. For that I live as riteously as I can. That being said, any religion that requires me to pay them 10% of my income so that church officials can live in houses like half of those pictures is a joke and a scam. It makes me sick to my stomach that so many people are willing and happily led like blind sheep not by god, but by men. I don't remember anything in the Bible saying great things about living in excess, no matter how high up in he church you are. But, as sheep led by men usually are, you all blindly defend them because they are "men of god" Your organized religions brain wash you from birth to believe that this is right. Leaked financial statements from an LDS church in Canada stated that while the average salary was a "modest" 80-120k per year, a few officials were upwards of 250-300k per year. Tell me that doesn't come from hard working church goers pockets in the form of tithing and I will tell you that you are either ignorant or lying. The best part of that little fact sheet I found, was that at the end of the article, they made a point to say that finding hard numbers such as these is rare because the church is so secretive with how much money it makes and pays its "men of god".
ReplyDeleteYou're lying. The way you worded everything and the fact that you won't give your name is proof enough.
DeleteThese homes are not provided by the church these individuals have owned their own businesses or retired professional of some sort or had thier own investments and worked hard for these things. Even at the bishop level they call upon those who can provided for themselves and their families and are almost always retired because they have to volunteer their time. Sure the church has funds for travel but only if its within a mission purpose and even then its to benefit those around the world. Every office every calling is all volunteered time with no other gain than the personal richness of serving others. So the only thing anyone here is bitter about is that these individuals worked hard for what they have so if you claim to be Christians you are really being envious and as Christians these things are not our concerns. I have friends in the church and out of the church who are very successful have big homes but the don't gloat about it and don't hold themselves above others even our leaders they don't brag about their homes or cars or possessions because they humble themselves because these things rich or poor all belong to our heavenly father and are only possible because of him. unlike televangelists or catholic faith all leaders are paid by the tithe offerings. The LDS church put all its tithe to grow the church to build temples to provide ways for everyone to get back to heavenly father and to spread the gospel to the harshest of areas to soften the hearts of all our brothers and sister to change this world for righteous reasons. Bitterness is of opposition and by expressing negativity you are expressing traits of Lucifer himself. We are taught to love one another regardless of status in my ward alone we have rich company owners doctors and even those who live on welfare and the church helps and treats every member equal in respects to thier uphold the covenants and commandments of Heavenly father. We don't waste our efforts in judging one another and if you find a Member who does live this way the problem is the individual themselves not the church. Most time if those who leave the church their issue is with man and not God. Be in the world not of the world. Please if you ever have questions ask missionaries or members or chapel leaders. It is so easy for man to speak ill of that they don't understand. You wouldn't ask a Dentist to perform neuro surgery so why get info of the church from a non member or agency who is anti the church. Most of all regardless of your affiliation we wouldn't and should treat you contrary to our beliefs and teachings. I know I wouldn't I love my non member neighbors and respect their values and vice versa. As a member my goal is to teach those who seek not push it on those who have no interest or questions. Keep positive and love your neighbors and as we say choose the right but most of all I say be the good in the world and only good can come of it.
ReplyDeleteAnother point compare any of these homes prices because in Utah these homes are half the cost if purchased anywhere else in the world and compare to lets say the pope's 30 million home/living quarters or any of the big televangelist billionaires. Dallin Oaks home is only worth 624,000 and is estimated a 2,000 dollar mortgage that's an easy achievement for any medical professional business owner or property investor etc. So i mean sure they look nice but the cost of living is like dirt cheap in Utah.So sure anyone can spin this as look at these guys but really as a Physician assistant I would be able to afford anyone of these homes easily.
ReplyDeleteIt would be great if you could edit your comment on the worker and home/living expenses to make it clear that none of this is paid by "tithing", if indeed you are interested in sharing the truth: "I should like to add, parenthetically for your information, that the living allowances given the General Authorities, which are very modest in comparison with executive compensation in industry and the professions, come from this business income and not from the tithing of the people."
ReplyDeletehttps://www.lds.org/general-conference/1985/10/questions-and-answers?lang=eng&_r=1
Thanks for sharing the link to that article. It's very good.
DeleteTypically people are skeptical of facts about an organization that come from within the organization. It may be more convincing if you could post facts from an outside source other than the church.
DeleteDoesn't matter if it's tithes or living allowance. It's excessive and offensive and greedy and hurtful to the less fortunate. Those homes scream 'better than'.
DeleteNeil L. Andersen has an MBA from Harvard Business School. He was a president of a health system, then owned an advertising firm. He definitely does not need the Church to pay for his landscaping, even if it did such a thing, which I happen to know, it does not. Did the landscaper know that you were specifically asking if he was an employee on the direct payroll of the Church, and not just employed by a senior leader of the Church? If you were a decent investigator, or at least a little smarter, you would learn that the Church uses contractors for landscaping. Therefore, the guy you spoke with either knew he was hired by a Church leader, or he works for a landscaping company but happened to know who the client was (because he's likely a Church member himself). If the Church employed landscapers to care for the apostles' yards, why was President Monson's yard in need of maintenance when I drove past it this afternoon?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you don't have an answer. You anti-Mormons aren't interested in truth and facts. You're only interested in twisting things around to fit your agendum.
Boom. I hate it when people just say stuff because they're upset. If these men really were lining their pockets with the money we give the church, they wouldn't be living in these modest homes. Nor would they be driving such modest cars. In fact, they never stop traveling the world to serve, so when would they find time to splurge their fat pockets? Oh yeah. They don't. Because they were successful before they were called and don't need us to pay for their lives.
DeleteLiving the gospel and following the directions of church leaders makes it possible for all people to live comfortably. The church encourages people to work hard, stay out of debt, and consult the Lord when making major decisions like where to work or what to do during financial difficulties. The lord himself promises financial well being when you pay your tithing. It's so interesting to me that every single ex-Mormon crusader is so filled with anger, and devotes so much time to trying to "out" the leadership. These homes are average for these areas in Utah, but I couldn't say the same for leaders like Kenneth Copeland. Their churches are smaller and earn less, but it's obvious where that money is going: into the leaderships pockets.
DeleteI've seen a couple posts and videos from David. All I ever see is jealousy and hatred. You act like it's wrong for someone to be successful. Who cares what these LDS Church leaders live in? Don't you think it's a bit obsessive for you to drive around and take pictures of peoples' homes just so you can post them on the internet and complain? Gross.
ReplyDeleteThere are over 13,000 homeless people in Utah. There are many properties that the Mormon church owns that sit empty the majority of the time. If I was looking down on Earth as god I would be pretty disappointed in the people who say they follow me.
DeleteWhat, like churches? Name a church that gives their buildings to the homeless. If you can, name one of those churches that actually maintains it and still uses it. You can't.
DeleteSeriously, the hardest thing about buying a smaller home is my wife complaining she wants something bigger, and we can afford it. Besides, now my neighborhood has appreciated so nicely.
ReplyDeleteTo everyone who thinks. We bought them their homes. We didn't. Russell Nelson is a renowned heart surgeon. Dallin Oaks is a Lawyer. Dieter Uchtdorf is a pilot and served in the air Force. These are just examples. Pretty high paying jobs, eh? Wouldn't you say the pay would cover retirement and then some? Yeah, we don't give them money.
ReplyDeleteWe absolutely give them money.. too much of it.
DeleteWe give 10% of our income, and in return we get beautiful temples world wide, and help pay for the missionary work and service of millions of missionaries who want to serve but wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise, amongst other things. There's never any pressure during any church meetings that I've personally attended to pay tithing beyond promising very real blessings. I love the church and I love paying tithing, plus fast offerings. I know it's being used the way that Christ wants =)
DeleteMormon leadership corrupted you can see it in their eyes and behavior Whit president trump cause they know he is more powerful people are blind.
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Take a look at the homes of people like Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland. It's clear to me that the leaders of the church have their priorities in the right place. I'd say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of the few churches that is honest and effective with the money they earn through tithing. These homes are modest, and comparable to the types of homes that people who were smart and diligent with their own work and their own money can afford. It's pretty petty and discouraging to see someone like the owner of this blog so vindictive as to post their actual addresses.
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